Ron Paul Wins 2nd FOX News Debate Despite Ridicule, Opposition
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Gandhi
It is obvious that, after seeing the Fox News Debates on Sept. 5th, 2007, the mainstream media and GOP see Ron Paul as enough of a threat to stop ignoring him, and to start ridiculing him. From using a split screen to show Giuliani smirking as Ron Paul answers his questions, to the background chuckles as he is asked questions, Ron Paul has apparently become the butt of an inside joke.
However, with a 33% win in the post-debate poll, it is Ron Paul who should be laughing. Of course, Sean Hannity could not resist making the ridiculous statement that the “Paulites” had spammed the poll. The argument, both false and illogical, is used to attempt to plant the seed in the minds of the American people that Ron can’t win, and conclude he is a “wasted” vote.
If it were possible to vote multiple times from one cell phone, then what would be the advantage for Ron Paul anyway? The mainstream media would have us believe that the “front-runner” candidates are so popular, wouldn’t their supporters also text multiple times? In any case, it is impossible to vote twice. I tried it to make sure. So, unless Ron Paul supporters have suddenly become an independently wealthy group of lunatics, with dozens of cell phones each, the results must be representative of REAL PEOPLE.
The bottom line? The FOX News talking heads would have us believe that when the polls show unacceptable results, they must be wrong. This argument is wearing very thin. The American viewers who were paying attention were sure to see the obvious bias of the debate coverage. A full thirty minutes passed before Dr. Paul was given a chance to answer a question. This, after the “big three” had answered two or three each. Tancredo was also given very little time compared to McCain, Romney, and Giuliani.
The bias was not only in the in total time, but also the placement of the time. McCain, Giuliani, and Romney got both the first and the last word in the minds of the American people, opening and closing the debates. Then, they were the first to be interviewed by Neocon lapdog Hannity.
Ron Paul will not win over the entire Republican base. But he does not have to. The Ron Paul Revolution embodies the United, not Divided, States, as Huckabee would insinuate. He is pulling support from both sides of the aisle, drawing in the independents and the disenfranchised as well. The Republican and Democratic voters who put party loyalty above the issues will never vote for Ron Paul. Fortunately, they represent the minority.
So here we are, in the second phase of Gandhi’s aformentioned four phases. This is good news, because it means we are starting to make a difference. However, I predict that it won’t take long for them to move into full attack mode, looking for any and every opportunity to discredit and expose the skeletons in the closet Ron Paul must be hiding from the American people. Fortunately for us, we have a man with the integrity, character, and voting record to back up what he says.
In addition, Chris Wallace asked Ron Paul a question when the subject was on taxes. Here is how Chris Wallace asks questions about taxes:
Congressman Paul, your answer is to cut both taxes and spending. You say that you would eliminate the IRS, the CIA, the Federal Reserve, the Department of Homeland Security , Medicare . I know that you used to want to end the FBI. I’m not sure whether you still support that idea, sir. Perhaps you can tell us. But if you get rid of the CIA, let alone the FBI, how would President Paul have any idea, any intelligence of what our enemies, foreign and domestic, are up to?
And another gem of a question from Chris Wallace was this:
So, Congressman Paul, and I’d like you to take 30 seconds to answer this, you’re basically saying that we should take our marching orders from al Qaeda? If they want us off the Arabian Peninsula, we should leave?
Of course Ron Paul knocked these out fo the park with his answers and received many cheers.
Patrick
September 6, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Sadly, Dr. Paul needs to win over the Republican voters as they are the ones who get to vote in the primaries to put him on the ticket. If he doesn’t make it there the Independents and Democrats don’t get a chance to vote for him.
John
September 6, 2007 at 8:12 pm
I normally do not register with any party, but this coming election I have registered as Republican so I will be able to vote in the primaries.
Jason
September 6, 2007 at 11:10 pm
Continuing with the baseball analogy, it’s much more impressive to me and to the voting public to hit a major league fastball than something someone just lobs in. In other words, bring on the attacks, if this is how Paul is going to respond.
Sam McManus
September 6, 2007 at 11:12 pm
I’m registered Democrat, but I would vote for Ron Paul. He’s more “progressive” than the Democrats are.
Hawanja
September 6, 2007 at 11:16 pm
The talking heads of FOX NEWS is criminals. The day will come when they will stand before a jury.
Torb
September 6, 2007 at 11:21 pm
Torb,
Ever heard of this thing called free speech? Or does that only apply to the ridicule of Republicans? Do tell us why you believe the good folks at Fox News are criminals? What crime is it they are comitting?
sandy
September 6, 2007 at 11:30 pm
John, people from all political backgrounds, including Democrat and Independent, are getting behind Ron Paul and all they have to do is switch their party affiliation (in some States this is required) to vote in the Republican Primary!! If they want to switch back after the vote, they can do that too. GO RON PAUL – America needs you to WIN!
Steve
September 6, 2007 at 11:31 pm
Ron Paul despite the lies is getting his word out, he has the most passionate people behind him. They tried to say the Ron Paul poll win came from spammers, yet 1 vote was allowed per phone as shown on youtube. So now that the spam allegation is debunked, what was it now??? Dimpled chads at the text message computer?!
The answer for the over whelming support is because he speaks the truth, he is a true American and he wants to return the country to what it was before centralized banks and the elite were able to grab a hold…(Thank Hoover for that one)
WHEN he wins in 08 I just hope he doesn’t take a trip to Dallas, especially the grassy knowl.
Jeff Vandergrift
September 6, 2007 at 11:34 pm
I love when righteous men such as Ron Paul force evil (Guiliani, Hannity, etc. etc.) to show itself for what it is. :O)
ZxEfR
September 6, 2007 at 11:37 pm
Sandy Says:
September 6th, 2007 at 11:30 pm
Torb,
Ever heard of this thing called free speech? Or does that only apply to the ridicule of Republicans? Do tell us why you believe the good folks at Fox News are criminals? What crime is it they are comitting?
Nobody at Fox News if free when it comes to speech. They are political shills; all on a leash. They pursue the corporate facist agenda with glee and fervor or they file for unemployment; witness Wallace’s attack on Paul; not probing, not expository and certainly not journalistic. Ron Paul is a hero. He knows what kind of treatment he will get from these zeros but endures the gutless attacks to tell his story. And sadly for the neocon newsspeaks: His story is resonating in a resounding way. Get a life and get over it. He is a very important player in the 2008 presidential race.
Skip
September 6, 2007 at 11:45 pm
Sandy Says:
September 6th, 2007 at 11:30 pm
Torb,
Ever heard of this thing called free speech? Or does that only apply to the ridicule of Republicans? Do tell us why you believe the good folks at Fox News are criminals? What crime is it they are comitting?
Nobody at Fox News is free when it comes to speech. They are political shills; all on a leash. They pursue the corporate facist agenda with glee and fervor or they file for unemployment; witness Wallace’s attack on Paul; not probing, not expository and certainly not journalistic. Ron Paul is a hero. He knows what kind of treatment he will get from these zeros but endures the gutless attacks to tell his story. And sadly for the neocon newsspeaks: His story is resonating in a resounding way. Get a life and get over it. He is a very important player in the 2008 presidential race.
Skip
September 6, 2007 at 11:46 pm
Sandy,
If I may I’ll throw in my $.o2 on your question.
They are committing crimes against humanity by spreading disinformation about what is truly happening. Either by not telling the whole truth or flat out lying. A lot of people actually believe they are the source for truth (the whole truth). Since they manipulate and lie….on behalf of their employers….they will be punished. However their punishment will come at the hands of God not man as it’d be real hard to convict on that kind of crime. Just like it’s practically impossible to convict a cop when they do evil.
ZxEfR
September 6, 2007 at 11:55 pm
Go Ron Paul, and cheers to all his supporters. I have informed all of my american friends about ron paul, encouraging them to look him up, view his site, and donate to his campaign.
I, and the rest of the world are watching with great anticipation, and praying that Ron Paul becomes the next President of the United States. I sincerely hope that the Revolution happens! Register Republican and get him through the Primaries! Good luck America!
anna from canada
September 6, 2007 at 11:57 pm
If I remember correctly voters can write in anyone they want when they vote for president. Even Daffy Duck if they wish. If I’m correct and Ron Paul doesn’t get the (R) nomination then the people should take it upon themselves to vote for Dr. Paul as a write in candidate. I know I will be.
ZxEfR
September 7, 2007 at 12:04 am
ZxEfR,
If you really think ‘they’ should be punished for the evil that they do, your best bet is to rally your friends, your co-workers, your family and acquaintances to spread what you see as the truth about Ron Paul that the media seeks to discredit.
Even if there were an afterlife that everyone could agree on, there’s no guarantee to say who would be punished and who rewarded – and by then it is far too late to help you and your family on this planet.
Vote.
Have your friends vote.
Donate to the campaign.
Go to a rally.
Make a sign.
I have given $100 to Ron Paul’s campaign and I can’t even vote for him as I am not in your country. I don’t agree with all his positions, but I respect his integrity.
Good Luck.
Tim
September 7, 2007 at 12:08 am
Register Republican and get him through the Primaries!
What A Great Idea!
roberthastings
September 7, 2007 at 12:10 am
Jeff:
Forgive my ignorance on this one (as I’m from a country with a compulsory voting system), but who’s to say that even if Ron Paul has the support of the majority that he’ll win, given your ‘College Voting’ system (still don’t understand that) and the fact that American’s are renowned for being apathetic voters, with the highest concentration of voters in the Bible-belt (where I doubt his popularity is particularly high)?
Brian
September 7, 2007 at 12:10 am
Yes, register as republican even if you are independent. This is an uphill battle all the way through the GOP primaries. We need all the republican votes we can muster.
Mark
September 7, 2007 at 12:20 am
Register Republican and push Ron Paul through. Pass it On.
Joe m Stevens
September 7, 2007 at 12:32 am
@ZxEfR
“They are committing crimes against humanity by spreading disinformation about what is truly happening. Either by not telling the whole truth or flat out lying.”
Free speech doesn’t have to be true. Nothing in the Constitution says anything about a test for veracity.
@Skip
“Nobody at Fox News is free when it comes to speech. They are political shills; all on a leash. They pursue the corporate facist agenda with glee and fervor or they file for unemployment;”
Whatever the source of their income, whatever the basis of their claim, if you cannot defend Fox’s speech, then you cannot claim to defend “free” speech.
You are as much a censor as you claim Fox News to be.
Pot, meet the kettle.
Marv
September 7, 2007 at 12:51 am
The banking system is collapsing. It uses imprecise and crude methods to create progress.
SH
September 7, 2007 at 12:51 am
@SH
“The banking system is collapsing. It uses imprecise and crude methods to create progress.”
Pretty bold claim. Care to back that up with facts?
Marv
September 7, 2007 at 12:53 am
Fox network and the other so called candidates treated Ron Paul with much less respect than he deserved and the people have seen this. It is not that Ron Paul will win or loose in a fair election nor is it important that the majority of Americans do not vote. What makes an immense difference is that Fox, Sean Hannity and the other candidates treat this U.S. Congressman with such disrespect for demonstrating a difference in his views on U.S. Polices. In a free country people are not forced to vote! In countries where people are compelled to vote by law you actively see the corruption grow and the cheapness of the whole voting lie.
Maximus Gringo
September 7, 2007 at 12:53 am
Yes! That is the best thing you can do if you are a Democrat or Independant and Dr. Paul’s message has struck a chord with you. Register as a Republican so you can vote for him in the primaries. I Ron Paul can win the Republican primary, it will guarantee his name on the ballot in all 50 states and ensure his ideas will get more coverage by the mainstream media and more Americans get to hear it. If he doesnt win, you can always switch back.
We need to take back the Republican party from the scoundrels that are in charge now and make it what it used to be. The party that really stood for peace and small government. This is our chance to take America back. Please don’t let the opportunity slip through your fingers.
Paul
September 7, 2007 at 12:54 am
sean hannity needs to have an ‘accident’
fox_sucks
September 7, 2007 at 12:59 am
We need to take back the Republican party from the scoundrels that are in charge now and make it what it used to be.
uh…stop trying to prop up a fallacy about the duopoly. what the u.s. needs is a dismantling of the two-party system…not ‘reform’.
realist
September 7, 2007 at 1:02 am
I’m 56 years old and have become largely ignored politics. I’m not cynical, just haven’t seen much to get excited about. I have advanced degrees, have been very successful, and have focused on my career and family vs. politics. Ron Paul is the first candidate that I’ve ever written a check for. I think the main stream media and political machines don’t see what is coming. I believe a new demographic of internet people that get their information and news from the internet is coming into play. People that normally don’t get involved in the political process (like myself) are getting involved. Everyone says it is impossible, that he has no chance. I think they don’t understand the power of ideas and the internet. He is the only voice that I hear that gives me hope for putting things back on track.
Mark
September 7, 2007 at 1:09 am
An outsiders perspective:
Eventually, if Ron’s support is sustained over the coming months, one or more of those candidates that are trailing in the polls may very well switch tactics and label themselves as a moderate, more easily digestible Ron Paul.
What all Ron Paul supporters need to be thinking about right now is how to combat that scenario effectively, and how to empower Ron Paul to do the same.
I don’t know what the answer is exactly but in Game Theory, sometimes the best strategy for winning is to play by a similar set of rules as every one else long enough to engender a calm trust that your future game play will reflect your current game play. I guess I’m suggesting that allowing him to be seen as more moderate is the most likely best answer. I’m not suggesting Ron should trade in his integrity for a golf club and some chap stick. I only know that his campaign reeks of fringe effort, and the taint of that will turn discerning and well intending voters toward any new and more socially acceptable Ron Paul that pops up. If Ron does in fact have normal American hobbies and habits then I believe people would be serving him well by trying to talk about and share those humanizing aspects of his character.
Any thoughts?
James Torrence
September 7, 2007 at 1:12 am
Have you guys looked at any of the polls? RP does even get enough support to be counted…
Anon
September 7, 2007 at 1:34 am
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Credit is at it’s maximum. There is nothing in the vault except paper. From this point forward, more and more people will learn how money is created, and they will demand to know why individuals control this power and not their government.
When people learn that war expands the money supply faster than any other activity, they will demand a new system.
Monarchy -> Church -> Bankers -> ???
SH
September 7, 2007 at 1:42 am
I’m a registered democrat, but a lot of my friends and I are thinking of switching parties to support Paul in our state primary.
Jonas
September 7, 2007 at 1:42 am
# Marv Says:
September 7th, 2007 at 12:53 am
@SH
“The banking system is collapsing. It uses imprecise and crude methods to create progress.”
Pretty bold claim. Care to back that up with facts?
Credit is at it’s maximum. There is nothing in the vault except paper. From this point forward, more and more people will learn how money is created, and they will demand to know why individuals control this power and not their government.
When people learn that war expands the money supply faster than any other activity, they will demand a new system.
Monarchy -> Church -> Bankers -> ???
SH
September 7, 2007 at 1:50 am
@SH
“Credit is at it’s maximum.”
Says who? What’s the “maximum”? What is the number?
“There is nothing in the vault except paper.”
You are behind the times, dude. Paper is soooo 20th Century. Paper takes time to move around the world. Electronic transactions have been the standard for decades.
“From this point forward, more and more people will learn how money is created, and they will demand to know why individuals control this power and not their government.”
From *this* point forward, everyone in this forum will know that you have no idea how modern banking works. I would make a bet that just about everyone (with possible exception of you) makes most of their transactions with digital media (credit or debit cards).
“When people learn that war expands the money supply faster than any other activity, they will demand a new system.”
Yeah, I’m sure that nations will be happy to wait six weeks for that shipment of 6 billion chickens to arrive to complete the barter transaction your system would require.
“Monarchy -> Church -> Bankers -> ???”
I see a history book in your future.
Marv
September 7, 2007 at 2:01 am
If you kids are really serious about this, the best way to affect the election is to register Republican. Show up at a local Iowa caucus on the night of polling. Be on time and very courteous to the host(ess). Wear suitable clothing. Do not rant rave or engage in name calling. Have ALL your facts down cold. Most of the people you will meet are genuinely concerned with what is happening in this country. When you meet one of the paid shills, do not argue. Listen until they make a mistake or lie then gently correct them. Arguing with a fool is no better than two fools arguing. This behavior will make more converts to your cause than sticking an idiots head through a wall. Above all else, get together with friends and hold mock discussions. Practice, practice, and practice.
Good luck, this country needs you, now, more than we need soldiers lives wasted in Iraq. Please preserve the country for the brave soldiers who are on the front lines fighting for you. Cover their backs and do not let the America they are fighting for slip away. Read the constitution and study the lives of those who wrote it.
Please, do not allow another W to infest the White House in your lifetime. Teach your children to think for themselves. Do not be disappointed if they do not think like you. Independence is the beauty that is the United States of America.
oldfart namvet
September 7, 2007 at 2:07 am
Vote Ron Paul!
Aldolf Hitler
September 7, 2007 at 2:22 am
I agree with Adolf Hitler! Vote Ron Paul!
Antonio
September 7, 2007 at 2:31 am
The question was asked, regarding the Fox news staff: What crime are they committing? The answer should be obvious to any informed reader: Misprison of treason.
Ally Kendall
September 7, 2007 at 2:33 am
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September 7, 2007 at 2:57 am
SH what do you call the infusion of $300 billion into the system 2 weeks ago. I’m in the business these banks are scared to death of a run. They are ALL over extended not leveraged, extended without recourse with the exception of insurance and that won’t cover the write down. Then the dollar finds itself in a precarious position. This ain’t good guys. We need a doctor proficient in economics and Foreign policy. Well what do you know we do Dr Ron Paul for President in 2008!!!!!
KEITH CRAWFORD
September 7, 2007 at 3:13 am
@Keith Crawford
“I’m in the business these banks are scared to death of a run.”
Which banks? The Bank of China owns some of these subprime loans. Do you work for the Bank of China?
“They are ALL over extended not leveraged,..”
Define “leveraged”
“…extended without recourse…”
I thought you just said “over extended”. Now they are just “extended”?
Which is it? “Extended” or “over extended”. Define both in terms of their reserve requirements. You see, I know something of banking myself and I believe you don’t know as much as you think.
“…with the exception of insurance…”
Then I guess they have *some* protection then. Who is their insurer? Which underwriter is going to take the hit? Can you identify who is at the greatest risk? Can you quantify this risk in comparison to the savings and loan debacle of 20 years ago?
“…and that won’t cover the write down.”
Of course it doesn’t. There are certain to be losses that won’t be covered by write downs in the conventional sense against profits. Which “write down” are you speaking about.
Perhaps someone who knows what they are talking about should be referenced here:
http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2007/08/23/croesus-chronicles-bass-oped-cz_rl_0824croesus.html
These people actually know how banking works.
“Then the dollar finds itself in a precarious position.”
If the dollar falls, buy stocks in companies that export.
Marv
September 7, 2007 at 3:31 am
I agree with a lot of Ron Paul’s opinions, but what about his stand on abortion? Kind of makes me sick. This is an example of representative democracy not fitting our society anymore. I want to vote on the issues, not for people that don’t represent me excactly. Why can’t we have real democracy? Direct Democracy. If over 60 percent of us want abortions to be legal, then it is kind of a crime for it to be under attack. I believe Ron Paul to be a genuine insightfull guy, but wrong on one issue that I know of. We are only one constitutional amendment away from Direct Democracy, the solution to nearly all of our complaints. Representative Democracy has one large fatal flaw and that is that representatives represent themselves or can be bribed, and that is just too huge to ignore anymore.
James Blevins
September 7, 2007 at 4:05 am
If you support Ron Paul and are registered Democrat, then change your party afflilitation and vote in the Republican Primary.
It doesn’t take more than 10 minutes to do it online, then when you get the card in the mail sign it and throw it back in the mailbox. If you don’t get your voter registration card saying you’re Republican in about 6 weeks, call your local voter registry.
If you’re a life long Democrat and are afraid of registering Republican, I assure you nothing will change. No kittens will die, your hair won’t fall out and you won’t be viewed any differently in your local supermarket. If you want Ron Paul to be president, you’re going to have to do your part. It won’t happen by itself.
stelian cincu
September 7, 2007 at 4:20 am
James,
If over 60% of people support abortions, they would still be legal in a Ron Paul presidency. He wants local government to make those decisions. He doesn’t want the federal government to tell everyone how to live. His official stance is, it’s none of the federal governments business. If you’re wrong about 60% of the people in Tennesse and they want to outlaw abortion, why should they live by your standard? It could be legal in those states or counties where the people want it to be legal and illegal in those where they feel it’s murder. That’s democracy.
stelian cincu
September 7, 2007 at 4:25 am
@Stelian Cincu
“If you’re wrong about 60% of the people in Tennesse and they want to outlaw abortion, why should they live by your standard? It could be legal in those states or counties where the people want it to be legal and illegal in those where they feel it’s murder. That’s democracy.”
No, that’s anti-federalism.
Consider the same paragraph above but replace “abortion” with “slavery”.
Would you still support that form of government? This question was decided on the battlefields of America 142 years ago, and the anti-federalists lost.
I’m all for a small federal government. I believe we should eliminate every department in the administration except defense, state, and treasury and then make every one of the others justify their existence. But that doesn’t mean we should abandon the notion that all citizens of the Republic do not deserve equal protection under the Constitution.
Period.
Marv
September 7, 2007 at 4:52 am
I am not a supporter of Ron Paul (in fact, I don’t see any Presidential candidate worth supporting right now) but I was offended greatly by his treatment during the debate and especially Sean Hannity’s treatment of him in the after debate coverage. It’s that kind of arrogant attitude that made me renounce the Republican party three years ago. It just really sucks being an independent conservative because there’s no one in the government that represents what you believe.
Jason
September 7, 2007 at 5:50 am
To all the idiots who keep on bringing up “free speech” in regards to Faux News: You can’t claim to be a nonbiased legitimate news source and then speak in the way Faux has in regards to Ron Paul. The same goes for basically EVERY mainstream media station out there to date. Your free speech argument is bullshit since they claim to be a nonbiased organization then totally disregard and manipulate the information again this candidate. Now go back to your hole and vote for some retard that the media tells you to, stupid sheep.
James Kong
September 7, 2007 at 5:53 am
Does anyone know where that website is that counted the questions he got? I think it was 5 but I could be wrong.
nh4ronpaul
September 7, 2007 at 6:00 am
The irony of actually using the word “paradigm” to characterize a site that is intended to smash them, in this day and age, is almost overwhelming…
Well done….
Chris
September 7, 2007 at 6:28 am
its quite obvious that no ones opinion here matters except for “Marv’s” so lets just let him comment and what he says will be the final word.
Damian
September 7, 2007 at 6:41 am
Agreed, all hail overlord Marv
p.s. Marv please critique my punctuation and spelling /bow
The Dude
September 7, 2007 at 7:52 am
Tim said
“I have given $100 to Ron Paul’s campaign and I can’t even vote for him as I am not in your country. I don’t agree with all his positions, but I respect his integrity.”
I live in India and I want to donate some money, when I looked up his official site http://www.ronpaul2008.com/ it said that one had to be an US Citizen to legally donate money to the campaign.
Let me know on how you donated $100 towards the campaign.
swamygee
September 7, 2007 at 8:39 am
Marv
Be aware that when you make a statement such as — “You are behind the times, dude. Paper is soooo 20th Century. Paper takes time to move around the world. Electronic transactions have been the standard for decades.” — your not going to be taken very seriously. It shows that you think at a high school freshman level…and that you have no idea what sets the value of money. Now I realize people like you have bought into the fraud that the value of money should be set by those that print the money….but when reality comes crashing down upon you maybe then you’ll realize what happens when labor or something of actual value no longer sets the value of money.
ZxEfR
September 7, 2007 at 8:40 am
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tallt
September 7, 2007 at 9:46 am
Regarding a direct democracy…
Ben Franklin said that a Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. A Republic is a well-aremed Lamb contesting the vote. Democracy is the bridge between a Republic and Socialism. Pure Democracy is mob rule.
And regarding abortion, slavery, and Constitutional amendments to infringe upon states rights…
Abortion is an issue the Constitution is silent on, and thus a states rights issue. The people of each state can determine how they want to handle it. If a majority wants it, then the majority gets it through state legislation…in their state. Period.
Also, the civil war was not about slavery as much as it was about whether the federal government should reach past their Constitutionally granted powers, and whether the South could secede from the Union. History has shown us that no matter what the issue, once we grant the Federal Government powers they were not intended to have, they always overreach, and take more.
thinkrink
September 7, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Besides you people that live your lives in an online world, is there seriously anyone out there who really thinks that Ron Paul could win a national election? You’re all living in Howard Dean Land, a place where you’ve all gotten each other worked up into a frenzy and have convinced yourselves that this same frenzy must exist out in the real world.
There might appear to be a swell of underground support for this doofus, but again, it’s because you people live underground.
This guy is a Libertarian — not a Republican — but more than that, he’s a public embarrassment.
psychedelicpariah
September 7, 2007 at 12:47 pm
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September 7, 2007 at 1:02 pm
Ron Paul is amazing. I want to vote for him just to see if he can keep to his promise of dismantling the IRS.
Listen here:
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September 7, 2007 at 1:29 pm
I am a registered democrat, registering as a republican this year, to vote for Paul in the primary.
Geoff
September 7, 2007 at 1:33 pm
I’m a registered Republican, and I will be voting for Ron Paul in the primaries. I think there are many Republicans like myself that are completely fed up with the neocons. Neocons are not and never will be real conservatives. They are a cancer that has been allowed to fester in our once great party. It’s time we cut them out.
Sidney Hale
September 7, 2007 at 2:46 pm
I’ve always been conservative, but I’ve lost faith in the republican party over the last decade. I re-registered as a republican just to vote for Ron Paul. He’s the only candidate who is adamantly anti-big-government, for reducing taxes in large steps (thanks for the $300 Bush, NOT!), and putting a stop to the endless nanny government.
He’s also the only candidate, on either side, that is serious about ending our horrible foreign policy. We shouldn’t be meddling in other’s affairs, regardless of where you want to meddle. On the left they want us to be the world’s welfare state, giving to everyone and policing for crimes against humanity. On the right they want us to war with whatever nation will keep the money flowing to deep pockets that supply the military/politicians. The only place we should be actively in is Afghanistan, and there we should have won already!
I’m telling everyone I can to vote for Ron Paul, we need a change from the clones we keep getting in both parties! I even joined a meet-up group in my area, I think we will overcome the media black-out on Ron Paul. And here all along I thought the main-stream media was bad, turns out Fox news is just as bad. For once I’d like to see a news source that lets me form my own opinions, and doesn’t “protect” me from information they don’t want me to hear.
Ericson Wilkinson
September 7, 2007 at 4:03 pm
Well, when you really sit and think about it… The way things are working right now isn’t really satisfying the American public, is it? I mean… look at the state of affairs, not just within America, but globally. We’re all sinking into a zombie-like state of acceptance, and fear of change. We know the evils we’ve already wrestled with, and we fear the potential evil of the new. Perhaps Ron Paul won’t be the be all and end all solution to America’s internal problems, he may not be a solution at all, but at least it’s change. He has a lot of ideas that could make a really positive difference not just in America, but everywhere America has influence. If he falls short, at least the American people will have shed this fear of the new and the different, realized that the world didn’t come to a staggering, violent end. I think this would encourage new change in the future, and inspire new Ron Pauls that may have more effective ideas. Honestly, almost anything is better than falling into an apathetic state of disenchantment, and fearful, manipulated ignorance. That’s what I fear. I fear the world, humanity itself, is being placated and coerced into a place where we just don’t care… and when we do care, it’s just too much work for so small a chance of success. And thus we accept. And accept. And accept. And then one day, we wake up in an unrecognizable world, so far removed from the place we thought we were living in. Obviously, all of us, Canadian, American, British, Iraqi… all of us could be making better choices for ourselves as a species. Who’s gonna be the bigger man? When will we stand up and cry out for a change? Cry out for anything but passive submission beneath a profit-hungry monster?
I say vote for Ron Paul. He’s probably not a political messiah, but at least he’s unwilling to sit and accept, and accept, and accept, and accept… If it’s not good now, it’ll probably get worse later. Especially if the world just sits and waits for the problem to work itself out.
Cheers to America. It’s good to see that there are still people out there looking to change the world we live in.
A Non-Descript Canadian, Eh
September 7, 2007 at 4:04 pm
That news source is the net.
Edgewalker™
September 7, 2007 at 4:05 pm
As a Canadian, I hope you vote for Ron Paul. We want out of NAFTA, and he’s our guy. He also doesn’t seem to want to enslave you like the other candidates…so that seems positive as well.
His treatment at the debates was disgusting, but I hope he watches his temper. You can start to read the frustration, and it won’t help him in this 2nd and 3rd Gandhi-esque stage.
Democrats, register as republicans and vote for Ron Paul. The only Dems worth voting for are Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich, and they’re wasted votes compared to Barack and Hillary. Let’s give them some real competition!
Radiofreebc
September 7, 2007 at 6:07 pm
great! now … if only we didnt have to worry about electronic vote fraud.
voterific
September 7, 2007 at 6:23 pm
I’m with Jason. I’m registering Republican so that I can vote for Ron Paul in the primary.
Bill Haynes
September 7, 2007 at 6:41 pm
Ron Paul is going nowhere in the Republican primary. Not many staunch Republicans will vote for him nor will there be enough Democrat crossover votes to influence the Republican primary. The Democrat race is so split any crossover will endanger the candidacy of their chosen candidate. Paul is little more than the second coming of Ross Perot, and though he will effect the campaigns, his affects will be minimal in the end. The candidacy that could throw a monkey wrench into both Republican and Democrats come national election is if Bloomberg starts an independent run. He has the money to possibly buy the office of POTUS.
thescoundrel
September 7, 2007 at 7:07 pm
You know Thescoundrel, I would have agreed with you until I watched this debate. What struck me was the crowds reaction to Dr. Paul was overwhelmingly positive. He is speaking to the core republican party not the neo-cons who have hijacked it (and fox news.)
That said, for as much as I find his foreign policies brutally honest; his domestic agenda frightens the hell out of me. Particularly in relation to healthcare and education.
smokindevil
September 7, 2007 at 10:07 pm
Did you notice how all of a sudden the Constitution is brought up in the answers of all the candidates? The only problem is, Paul has a 20 year long track of voting and legislating according to the Constitution, whereas the other ones are just saying the right thing, but have no credibility in this matter.
Vlad
September 7, 2007 at 11:34 pm
No matter how much hoopla Paul raises he will not win the primary. The people behind the scenes will never allow it. He is not well enough liked inside the power structure to get the nomination. When the real campaigning begins he will be squeezed out by those who control the money. He will not be able to compete in getting his message out.
thescoundrel
September 8, 2007 at 12:35 am
Please give him money, even if it is $10! His campaign has to have “fuel” so be as generous as you can.
Tom Broso
September 8, 2007 at 1:53 am
The awful way this debate was carried out, and the way Ron Paul overcame such opposition and at times, ridicule, without a doubt helped mainstream America see why Ron is the best candidate. So thanks Faux News!
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September 9, 2007 at 9:57 am
I would encourage ALL TRUE Americans (NOT traitors who want a North American Union )…to vote for Ron Paul! In the Sep 5, 2007 debate, I hated it when Gov. Huckabee of Arkansas ‘downed’ Dr. Paul and slobbered over all of Sen. John McCain’s fine (and they are fine) military “sacrifices”. Huckabee praised how McCain truly “understands what HONOR is”, etc. Mr. Huckabee, WHAT ABOUT THE BLOODSHED WHERE 2/3 OF THE MEN WHO SIGNED THE CONSTITUTION LATER WERE KILLED DEFENDING IT? WHAT ABOUT THE “SACRED HONOR” LOST BY GEORGE WASHINGTON; THOMAS JEFFERSON; JOHN HANCOCK; PAUL REVERE, etc.???!!! They lost their FAMILIES…(did McCain lose his?) THEIR ENTIRE WEALTH (isn’t McCain still wealthy?); Their HOMESTEADS(doesn’t McCAIN still have his?); Their SACRED REPUTATIONS (HONOR!) Many lost their former high-ranking offices! Until John McCain loses THAT much… he pales in comparison to the wise writers of our great Constitution! YOU WANT THE USA TO HAVE REAL HONOR?… Vote for “THE CHAMPION OF THE CONSTITUTION” –Dr.Ron Paul…who has bravely stood almost alone fighting for us for 35 years…ALWAYS DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE LETTER! LIKE OUR GODLY FOREFATHERS WHO DIED TO FREE US FROM ENGLAND’S KINGLY TYRRANY WHO IGNORED AND DENIED THE POPULATION TO HAVE REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES, AND TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION, RON PAUL WANTS TO FREE US FROM THIS TREACHERY/GLOBALISM UNDER GEORGE BUSH, WHO SHOULD BE IMPEACHED! BOTTOM LINE…DOES AMERICA WANT TO HAVE A NATION DIRECTED BY GOOD CHRISTIAN TEACHINGS AGAIN…OR BE RUN BY MIXED UP, HATE-FILLED ISLAM? “WHEN AMERICA CEASES TO BE GOOD, IT CEASES TO BE GREAT”. VOTE RIGHT! PRAY AND GET A MIRACLE!
Barbara Wilson
September 10, 2007 at 1:54 am
P.S. WORLD NET DAILY.com IS A DEPENDABLE, REFRESHING MAJOR SOURCE OF TRUTH IN THE FREE PRESS! WORLD NET DAILY WILL REPORT NEWS WHICH CNN, FOX, ABC, NBC, REFUSE TO TELL AMERICANS! FOR EXAMPLE, THE I-35W BRIDGE COLLAPSE WAS Pre-known by the US GOVERNMENT… BECAUSE IT IS TO BE THE HUB OF THE NEW “NASCO”! (North American Superhighway Corridor Coalition) Check out the North American trucking map shown by WND, under NASCO. The article is entitled “I-35W Bridge Collapse linked to NASCO” Keep up with your own state’s DOT, because the Dept. of Transportation in each state signs up if they are uniting with NASCO! This highway is right now being built from Mexico City up to Minneapolis, and forks over to Vancouver and to Montreal, continuously. In the debate, Ron Paul mentioned this strategic bridge. B. Wilson, Greenville, SC
Barbara Wilson
September 10, 2007 at 2:15 am
I can’t wait until there is a report that Ron Paul supporters have “spammed the primaries, so he doesn’t win by majority vote”. I’m going to kill someone should that happen.
Josh T
September 10, 2007 at 11:56 pm
I am so damn scared of the current direction of America that I have for the first time in my life become a zealot (promoting Ron Paul as much as possible). I don’t see any other person stepping up like Ron Paul to choose the right path for America. I see him as the last hope for a free America and the last hope for the youth of America who will have to endure the poor decisions of the self serving politicians in office now (both parties).
bob
September 12, 2007 at 1:39 am
I support Ron Paul and only Ron Paul. Ron Paul is head and shoulders above all the other candidites, both Republicans and Democrats. None of the others will get my vote regardless of who is nominated.
DC Wornock
September 26, 2007 at 6:59 am
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It looks like Rep. Paul is starting to move somewhere in between “then they laugh at you, then they fight you”.
Good for him.
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December 10, 2007 at 6:09 pm
I was just watching highlights from this debate again… and I wonder what exactly happened here. I know he won, but it seems the MSM was willing to bury him like a bad digg post.
Sometime… the U.S. will wake up. But with the pharmacuiticals being pumped into water you have to wonder if the people who live in these cities are actually being emotionally tampered with. Anti depressants, psychological medications, all kinds have been found in the water.
So… what’s up with that America?
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